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PostSubject: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:24 pm

I love dogs.........really. Over the years, I've worked with abused dogs, frightened dogs, agressive dogs. . . . . stupid dogs (lol!) and have always been able to make a connection with them, and make friends with them - usually within just a few minutes. . . . . . And I'd never met a dog that actually scared me. . . . . until now.

There's a dog not too far from here who, a couple of weeks ago charged at me.....then last week snarled and lunged at me - and then last night tried to bite my leg. The dog has gotten loose and chased a child into the refuge of a neighbor's home - but the owner refuses to see anything to worry about. He says that his dog is just a little grumpy. His dog is dangerous, not just grumpy. And because the dog hasn't hurt anyone (yet) nothing can be done. I should have let the beast bite me, then something could be done! (No....I'm not going to get offline and go antagonize the dog into biting me.........although...LOL)

What's worse is that there are children in the home where this dog lives, and when the dog snarls at the children, you can hear the parents get after the children instead of the dog. No

What is wrong with this world when people are so lacking in concern for the safety of children?
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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:42 pm

Ugh I know... Lately I´ve become terrified of dogs too even the dogs I somewhat know... There are so many more aggressive dogs now than before because the owners just don´t care about others... There is a similar problem at my cousin´s "street".. They sort of live in the countryroad with not too many ppl around and there is this dog that attacks everyone... The "only" problem is that the owner is a rocker (is that the same term in English..?) so they are afraid to do something about it...


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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:20 pm

Thats not good at all..It really does suck when smt has to happned for smt to be done.
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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:27 pm

I have just learned a sad story of a dog who was owned by my old landlady. Kenji always stayed on his own property when they let him out. He was harmless and a beautiful snow white husky type breed. Next door live 2 pit bulls. A few weeks ago they got loose and killed Kinji, on his own property. I was so sad to hear this news, he was a beautiful creature. What is even more frightening, Kenji had a 2 year old human brother. I am so thankful that little Taylor wasn't out with the dog.
The owner of the pitbulls has been fined $5000 but is going to court to fight it because he doesn't think that he should have to pay. Pitbulls are illegal in Ontario, you can't breed them or bring puppies into the province. I hate pitbulls.


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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:32 pm

OMG what a terrible story. I understand you are sad for the dog but at the same time that the little boy wasn´t harmed... Such owners should go to jail immediately!!! Makes me so angry


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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:32 pm

[quote-"LIWnut"]I have just learned a sad story of a dog who was owned by my old landlady. Kenji always stayed on his own property when they let him out. He was harmless and a beautiful snow white husky type breed. Next door live 2 pit bulls. A few weeks ago they got loose and killed Kinji, on his own property. I was so sad to hear this news, he was a beautiful creature. What is even more frightening, Kenji had a 2 year old human brother. I am so thankful that little Taylor wasn't out with the dog.
The owner of the pitbulls has been fined $5000 but is going to court to fight it because he doesn't think that he should have to pay. Pitbulls are illegal in Ontario, you can't breed them or bring puppies into the province. I hate pitbulls.[/quote]



Sorry to hear about your friend's dog. Glad the child wasn't there, but we had a pitbull and unless you train them to fight other dogs, they are the sweetest dogs to have. When my oldest son was 2 years old, he would sit on Punkin and take the bone right out of her mouth. She would turn and look up at me like, "Can you get him off of me now?" She was the sweetest thing.....these dogs do not do what they haven't been trained to do, it is the owners fault, not the dogs......Sorry, just have to defend the poor animals who get treated so badly and get such a bad rap..............There was a little boy here that got attacked by a cocker spaniel and no one even thought about putting it down.....so sad, so sad.......... No



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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:37 pm

Sorry Rhonda. I am sure that some pitbulls can be sweet. But time after time these creatures have caused so much trouble that the Ontario government has banned them here. Everytime we heard about a dog attack, whether on another pet or a child, it was always a pitbull. So the province decided that enough was enough.


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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:41 pm

We have several places around here that have also banned pitbulls, but as I said before, it is not the dogs, it is the owners training the dogs. It is the owners that need the punishment.....it is not in the dogs to do that, it is trained.....I just feel the poor things get a bad name because of the way they were raised. Like someone raising a child and teaching them how to use a gun to shoot people. When that child grows up and kills someone, they are punished for doing something they were trained to do.......that's all......any dog can be trained to fight and kill, people have just chosen the pitbull to do it......The dog in Laura's book, Jack was actually a pitbull, not the short legged bull dog that people think.....it was a pitbull dog......a good dog that protects his owners...........Thumbsup



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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:03 pm

My co-worker also had two pitbulls who were really nice. Her boyfriend wanted to make them mean at one point but she didn't let him. They are so cute.


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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:38 pm

That's a shame!!Blue Our neighbor has an agressive dog too. He beats the crap out of their other dogs that are 10 times as big as that little runt, lol.

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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:03 pm

I'm with Rhonda. I too have a pitbull, she's the sweetest and she protects her family (us). No dogs are born vicious, it's the owners who train them to be that way for betting on dog fights, hence the pitbulls' ears and tails are always cut off at birth. It doesn't have to be pitbulls, it could be any other dogs. Unfortunately pitbulls are the mass chosen ones. It makes me so sad every time I hear stories about them. Blue

My pitbull along with my German Shepherd slept next to my daughters when they were babies on both sides...as if they were protecting them...which they were. Once I had a telephone man came to wire my phone line, he passed my daughter's room and stopped to greet them. My dogs got up immediately and came to the doorway, like they were preventing him to enter the room.


By the way, both of my dogs were abandoned on the streets before I adopted them. If you take good care of your dogs, your dogs will take good care of you with unconditional love.



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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:36 am

That's sweet Lily Cheer


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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:43 am

Certainly there are "bad seeds" when it comes to animals, just as with humans.

But most often it is the human owner (past or current) that is to blame.

Pitbulls have gotten a very bad rap because people breed them and train them to be aggressive.

Years ago, it was dobermans and shepards and then rottweilers for a while.

Ironically, the dog breed with the most "natural" aggression isnt a popular breed and one most people havent even heard of...the Akita.

That doesn't mean they can't be trained to be good dogs, but they can be stubborn and snappy.

Someone mentioned a Cocker Spaniel attack.
Cockers are very nervous dogs and should be supervised at all times around children, despite their smaller size.

Shitzus are also very high strung and generally don't make good pets for children.

There are always exceptions to the rule so generalizations are hard to make.

You'll always hear that so and so's Akita or Shitzu made a wonderful pet etc. etc.
But there are some dogs that make better pets for children than others, perhaps simply because they are "easier" to train or have more patience as a breed.

You might be surprised to find out that Pit Bulls are actually, if whelped by a good mother and trained and treated right by humans, are in the top 10 dog breeds that are good with children.


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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:56 am

Rhonda wrote:
Sorry to hear about your friend's dog. Glad the child wasn't there, but we had a pitbull and unless you train them to fight other dogs, they are the sweetest dogs to have. When my oldest son was 2 years old, he would sit on Punkin and take the bone right out of her mouth. She would turn and look up at me like, "Can you get him off of me now?" She was the sweetest thing.....these dogs do not do what they haven't been trained to do, it is the owners fault, not the dogs......Sorry, just have to defend the poor animals who get treated so badly and get such a bad rap..............There was a little boy here that got attacked by a cocker spaniel and no one even thought about putting it down.....so sad, so sad.......... No

It's ironic, I was just having this conversation today. I think animals' behavior is a reflection of the way their owner/caregiver treats them. They only react the way they've been trained and have been treated.

However, your neighbor sounds like the kind of person who isn't teaching his dog good behavior, Savannah. I hope something can be done before someone actually does get hurt.

When I was growing up, in the neighborhood I lived in my neighbor had a sweet little poodle. When it passed away (it was really old), her husband found a dog in the woods and brought it home to keep. It was maybe 2 years old at the time I believe, but it had not been trained and was living as a wild animal up til the point they took it in. They did nothing to train it otherwise either - my neighbor was actually afraid of it, and it bit one of the neighbors. I remember the mailman was actually afraid to deliver the mail onto their porch when the dog was out, and would make my neighbor come to the sidewalk to get it. The dog was a German Shepherd. One of my friends also has a 2 year old German Shepherd, that he's had since she was a puppy and has trained. It is one of the sweetest dogs I've ever known. So again, I completely agree that it's the environment the animal lives in and the way it is trained/treated that makes it react that way.





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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:03 pm

Lily wrote:
I'm with Rhonda. I too have a pitbull, she's the sweetest and she protects her family (us). No dogs are born vicious, it's the owners who train them to be that way for betting on dog fights, hence the pitbulls' ears and tails are always cut off at birth. It doesn't have to be pitbulls, it could be any other dogs. Unfortunately pitbulls are the mass chosen ones. It makes me so sad every time I hear stories about them. Blue

My pitbull along with my German Shepherd slept next to my daughters when they were babies on both sides...as if they were protecting them...which they were. Once I had a telephone man came to wire my phone line, he passed my daughter's room and stopped to greet them. My dogs got up immediately and came to the doorway, like they were preventing him to enter the room.


By the way, both of my dogs were abandoned on the streets before I adopted them. If you take good care of your dogs, your dogs will take good care of you with unconditional love.

That is true, it's all in how you raise the dogs.

Yes, they are great for protection!

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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:39 pm

there is this doggie across from my house who is tied up all day and it barks and barks..the ppl pay no attention to it
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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:41 pm

That's sad. They could be in trouble for neglect.

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PostSubject: Re: That dog...   Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:30 pm

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