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PostSubject: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:13 am

I just watched "Once Upon a Time", and I had a question about it. At the beginning of the episode, Laura is wrapping up her substitute teaching duties, filling in for Miss Plum, who injured her ankle. We're led to believe that Laura has been filling in for Miss Plum for several weeks. My question is, who was watching Rose? Surely, Almanzo would have been busy during the day working on the farm and in town. For that matter, who watched Rose while Laura and Jenny were in Minneapolis for weeks? Is this another writing blunder?


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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:12 am

Ranting It always bothered me that when the women were in town or working, we never knew who had the children. It bothered me even more to know that once a young woman married, she could NOT continue teaching, and yet, the women went back to teaching ALL the time........In the case of who was watching Rose when she was substituting.....I would imagine it would've been one of the older women in town......Mrs. Whipple, Mrs. Foster, etc. When Laura and Jenny went off, Almanzo took care of Rose, since he encouraged her to take the trip in the first place.......he probably then had the same older women taking care of Rose while he went off to work. :think:



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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:20 pm

Me too Rhonda. Married women didn't work and they didn't wait to have children solely because they wanted to work for a couple more years, like Laura said to Almanzo in "The Nephews". I think it's rare for a show to actually address the whereabouts of the main character's children except upon rare occasions. I mean, how often did Caroline go into town without her children? Then when she went to work we sometimes saw Grace in the kitchen and other times we had no idea where she was.


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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:45 pm

Me, three. I mean, we're talking about a time period when female teachers literally signed a contract with the school board, agreeing that they would remain single. They generally would also be required to agree to a morality code, agreeing to abide by a certain code of conduct, written out by the school board. (This continued well into the early 1900's) If they married, they lost their job. And they certainly never allowed a woman who was expecting to teach. They may, however, have allowed an older married woman (Mrs. Whipple, Mrs. Foster, etc......) to teach, since they were beyond child-bearing years, and their own children were grown. Little historical errors like that bug me. I know that Little House isn't meant to be a history lesson, but a lot of times, what people see in a tv show or movie sticks with them more than what they've read in a history book. So, kids end up thinking that married women taught regularly back in pioneer days, when it really was pretty much unheard of in America back then.

And, I agree about the lack of an explanation about what they did with the little ones. It was rather sloppy of them to not think about that. But then, as we've mentioned before........they didn't know that a bunch of obsessed devoted fans would be watching these episodes over and over, and pouring over the show. If they had, they may have been more careful....................................................Nah. grinsmiley
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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:02 pm

Yes. But Donald Zochert tell us that Miss Beadle , Laura's techer, must have been a married woman. Laura wrote that Miss Beadle was named "Eva", but Zochert examined Walnut Grove records and the only Eva Beadle at the time, was Mr. Lafayette Bedal's daughter..currently FOUR years old. So, the only solution Zochert found is to said that Miss Beadle (really Bedal), must have been a "Mrs".

This is what he wrote in page 82

"...Laura remembered that the teacher's name was Eva Bedal, and that she had a face that seemed very sweet and welcome the two country girls going to school there for the first time. But the only Eva Bedal at town was Mr. Bedal's little daughter, and she was only four years old.Perhaps, the postmaster's wife, Clementina Bedal, was the teacher..."

By the way, I'm always surprised about American Educational Laws from Laura's time. Here in Argentina at that time, a married woman could reach the post of principal of a school. In fact, most f them were married. Sarmiento, our president between 1870-1876, brought a lot of teachers from the USA's to work here, and some of them were professors. They were all married. Maybe they left EEUU for they couldn't work there as married persons? :think:

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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:07 pm

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Me too Rhonda. Married women didn't work and they didn't wait to have children solely because they wanted to work for a couple more years, like Laura said to Almanzo in "The Nephews". I think it's rare for a show to actually address the whereabouts of the main character's children except upon rare occasions. I mean, how often did Caroline go into town without her children? Then when she went to work we sometimes saw Grace in the kitchen and other times we had no idea where she was.

I think that at these times, women had a lot of children. So the elders would care for the littler. This was the case of one of my great-great grandmothers. She had exactly ten children. But she was always busy going to see friends or simply drinking tea and mate in her kitchen. However, none of her children had an accident, and all were well educated and behaved. The reason? The elder of them would watch for their little brothers and sisters. They don't need to have a baby-sitter. In some cases, neighbors will watch over the children. And you must remember that a child of seven was considered old enough to care of himself/herself and his/her little brothers and sisters.

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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:57 pm

Vanesa wrote:
Yes. But Donald Zochert tell us that Miss Beadle , Laura's techer, must have been a married woman. Laura wrote that Miss Beadle was named "Eva", but Zochert examined Walnut Grove records and the only Eva Beadle at the time, was Mr. Lafayette Bedal's daughter..currently FOUR years old. So, the only solution Zochert found is to said that Miss Beadle (really Bedal), must have been a "Mrs".

This is what he wrote in page 82

"...Laura remembered that the teacher's name was Eva Bedal, and that she had a face that seemed very sweet and welcome the two country girls going to school there for the first time. But the only Eva Bedal at town was Mr. Bedal's little daughter, and she was only four years old.Perhaps, the postmaster's wife, Clementina Bedal, was the teacher..."


Another possible solution is that he had an unmarried sister named Eva living with him, or just living in the same town. The women, unfortunately, weren't always listed by name if they were unmarried. Blue
It really doesn't seem very likely that Laura would mistake two such different names as Eva and Clementina. But I suppose anything is possible.

I remember you mentioning before how different the laws were in Argentina regarding female school teachers around Laura's time, compared with America's laws. It really is quite interesting!


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bethandmanly wrote:
Me too Rhonda. Married women didn't work and they didn't wait to have children solely because they wanted to work for a couple more years, like Laura said to Almanzo in "The Nephews". I think it's rare for a show to actually address the whereabouts of the main character's children except upon rare occasions. I mean, how often did Caroline go into town without her children? Then when she went to work we sometimes saw Grace in the kitchen and other times we had no idea where she was.

I think that at these times, women had a lot of children. So the elders would care for the littler. This was the case of one of my great-great grandmothers. She had exactly ten children. But she was always busy going to see friends or simply drinking tea and mate in her kitchen. However, none of her children had an accident, and all were well educated and behaved. The reason? The elder of them would watch for their little brothers and sisters. They don't need to have a baby-sitter. In some cases, neighbors will watch over the children. And you must remember that a child of seven was considered old enough to care of himself/herself and his/her little brothers and sisters.

Vanesa.


In this instance, though, the older children were in school at the time.......So when the older children were in school, and Ma was at the restaurant, it seems like the writers could have had Ma mention in passing where Grace was. For instance, commenting that she's thankful to have someone like Mrs. Foster to watch Grace while she works, or whatever..........But it seems like the writers just put Grace up on the shelf, out of the way. :haha:
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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:50 pm

Hope you don't mind me hijacking this thread for a moment. My girls were watching "Once Upon A Time" today and I kept thinking the plot sounded familiar. Then I realized that parts of it were like the Anne 3 movie. Both Anne and Laura travel away from home and they do it for their writing. Both women are like fish out of water--the small town girl in the big city. Both women end up dealing with less than honest publishing houses. Russell (LHOP) and Jack Garrison (Anne3) like their alcohol a bit too much and admire the writing of the women they end up working with. And in the end, both women return home without a published novel.

I bet it's sheer coincidence, but it was driving me crazy until I figured out why it sounded so familiar to me. :think:


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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Thu Sep 02, 2010 10:59 am

That really annoyed me, when women got married they had to quit working. you can tell she was so upset when she had to quit.
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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:31 pm

bethandmanly wrote:
Hope you don't mind me hijacking this thread for a moment. My girls were watching "Once Upon A Time" today and I kept thinking the plot sounded familiar. Then I realized that parts of it were like the Anne 3 movie. Both Anne and Laura travel away from home and they do it for their writing. Both women are like fish out of water--the small town girl in the big city. Both women end up dealing with less than honest publishing houses. Russell (LHOP) and Jack Garrison (Anne3) like their alcohol a bit too much and admire the writing of the women they end up working with. And in the end, both women return home without a published novel.

I bet it's sheer coincidence, but it was driving me crazy until I figured out why it sounded so familiar to me. :think:

I didn't notice that, since I didn't watch Anne's movies more than once and I don't remember much of them...Television writers uses to copy each other too much. It happens all around the world. I've seen movies and series where they have used complete dialogs and plots from other movies and series...Really annoying. banghead

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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:42 pm

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That really annoyed me, when women got married they had to quit working. you can tell she was so upset when she had to quit.

Actually, in Argentina was not this way. Even principals of schools could be married. And believe ir or not, three of them - the most famous, for they've founded High Schools here - were AMERICAN! They came to Argentina in 1880 and perfrmed a great job for little children and young girls education. In fact, to keep working after marrying was a dessition that the women herself and her husband must to take, not the laws. In some cases, husbands wouldn't feel at ease if their wifes keep working, for it was as if they wasn't able to support the household all by themselves, so they asked their wives to quit. The lower classes of society used to do that. But there were lot of husbands that let the dessition to their wifes.

At the TV show - not in real life - it was Laura's idea to not work any more to try to educate Rose in a better way. She looks really dissapointed, for she liked t teach a lot, but she als knows that her daughter need her.

In real life, Laura was very glad to let her teacher job aside, since she DIDN'T LIKE TO TEACH AT ALL. Laughing HeeHee She was very shy and rather like to stay home with her beloved ones. She only taught school to help support Mary's studies at Vinton, Iowa.

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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:38 pm

i never knew that!
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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:05 pm

I never knew any of that..But i still think it would suck if you had to give up a job just cuz ur geting married..Its like picking "Love" or a "Job"


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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:10 pm

I suppose it was harder to get things done if you worked a lot of hours. Not having microwaves, slow cookers, washing machines, grocery stores with butter and cheese, the list goes on, and you went to bed early, the hours would get used up pretty quickly. Just being married, you wouldn't be as busy as with children, but I can't imagine leaving mine to work back then, when they were all young, unless my mother or someone lived close by.
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PostSubject: Re: Once Upon a Time -- Question   Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:02 am

A couple of things bothered me with this episode.

First, if Laura is (as she discovers) to be in Minneapolis for two, then four and possibly 6 weeks, why would she want Jenny with her all that time? Surely she would miss Rose and go back and get her. The publishers would have paid for a nanny for those times Laura was away from the hotel. And it's not as though there were any good scenes between Laura and Jenny; I was expecting a side-plot of sorts involving Jenny in the big city.

Second, the flash-forward just threw me completely...I thought I was watching an advert at first. Granted, it was 7am and I'd only had one cup of coffee but it just seemed so off to me. Far better, in my opinion, just to have ML's voiceover about Laura's literary career than bother with 1980s Tuscon scenes.
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