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PostSubject: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Sun May 18, 2008 10:41 pm

So yesterday I was talking to the man who my dad had hired to put a stucko border around the garage window...

We started talking about things... and then he said something that really surprised me. He believes that the Holocaust never happened.... that it is something the jews have made up. mad

I could not believe my ears and I told him how he could think that. I asked him what about the jews and other groups of people who have numbers tattoed on their arms... what about the museums, what about the records of so many people dying around that time. He could not give me a good answer but he was firm that he does not believe in it and also said that the world would be a better place without jews. Huh? I finished my conversation with him right when he said that....

I was very surprised....


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Sun May 18, 2008 10:59 pm

I've heard this from others before too, usually from people who don't like Jews. They can deny it all they want; it's a known part of history. My stepmother's grandparents both survived the concentration camps and had the markings to prove it. They lived to be 106 and 108.


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Sun May 18, 2008 11:05 pm

It makes me so mad that there are people around that think that way! mad Ranting



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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 6:55 am

Ostrich and Sand come to mind when I hear comments like this! You're better not demeaning yourself by trying to reason with someone like that.




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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 8:31 am

I can't believe he came to your home and started saying these like that. Really, it's pretty sad that people hold onto hatred like that. In some ways, I feel nothing but pity for people like that.


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 8:37 am

carolineingalls wrote:
Ostrich and Sand come to mind when I hear comments like this! You're better not demeaning yourself by trying to reason with someone like that.

Exactly. My Gosh, this man needs to go to the Holocaust museum in D.C. I will never look at it the same way again. It is the most moving experience I've ever had. It's amazing to me the bigotry that's still out there....that's like saying slavery never happened. :think: I mean, get real. Carol, kudos to you for trying to convince this man...something tells me though that he will go to his grave believing this way. No Like you, Pam, I just feel sorry for him.


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 9:42 am

People like that cannot be convinced, they will go to their graves believing what they want to believe. It's a sad, sad world. I used to work in a senior residence and they were a few seniors that were holocaust survivors, and they had the numbers marked on their wrists to prove it. One lady had her whole family (father, mother, sister and brother) all wiped out, she was the sole survivor. So sad to hear her stories. I can't imagine that happened to my family. No

I think the world will be better off without that man!! mad



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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 10:26 am

When I was a teenager, my Grandma was dating a man who had been one of the first liberators at some of the concentration camps. (Grandpa had died when I was a little girl) He had a camera with him, and a lot of film, and took a couple hundred pictures, because he didn't think that anyone would believe the horrors that they were witnessing. (And at first, people didn't, if you go back and read some of the articles from around that time) Well, his commanding officer noticed him, and a couple of other soldiers, taking pictures, and told them that they were to destroy the film. He told me that that was the only command that he disobeyed. He felt that it was important enough to risk whatever came from his actions, if it was found out. He never did get caught with the film, and he showed the albums to me, and my Mom. It was absolutely horrifying. He said that because he has no children, he was thinking of leaving the albums to the Smithsonian. This was long before the Holocaust Museum was made.............I don't know what ever became of him. But anyone who says that the Holocaust never happened is a fool. And to believe that the world would be better off without the Jews?? Jesus came to us as a Jew. That man may think that the world would be better off without them, but I'm pretty thankful for one Jew in particular. Love
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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 1:14 pm

This was sent in an email.....I found a site with some pictures, I will warn you now, they are graphic....REAL, but graphic..... No




It is a matter of history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps, he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the track of history some b*stard will get up and say that this never happened'' All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'
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This week, the UK removed The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offended' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred.

This is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving in to it.


It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended.


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 1:33 pm

I remember seeing a documentary with so many pictures like that. It is unfathomable to me that people can do those horrible things to another human being. And to think, it wasn't really even that long ago. Blue


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 1:44 pm

I've seen some these pictures too before. This one particular pic of the children being exposed to medical experiments hit me hard, I couldn't help to think what if those were my kids... bawling No



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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 1:56 pm

This poem called 'I Never Saw Another Butterfly' was written by Pavel Friedman. Pavel Freidmann was born on January 7, 1921, in Prague and deported to Terezin concentration camp on April 26, 1942. He died in Aushchwitz on September 29, 1944.



*I feel like printing some of that info and pics Rhonda and giving it to that guy...


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 3:39 pm

That is heartwrenching. Blue


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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 4:58 pm

pamh36 wrote:
I remember seeing a documentary with so many pictures like that. It is unfathomable to me that people can do those horrible things to another human being. And to think, it wasn't really even that long ago. Blue

I totally agree, Pam. The mind of a monster is all I can figure when I see pictures like that. Treating Jews like they are just things instead of human beings.

Like its everyday work and, worse of all, having a smile on your face and being amused while doing...

The madness that took place then is unfathomable.

The experiments, the deaths...my God...to be waiting in line to be gassed or shot... Blue Blue



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PostSubject: Re: Not believing in the Holocaust?   Mon May 19, 2008 7:45 pm

I have heard that people don't believe in that either. mad And what's wrong with Jews? I worked for a Jewish doctor and he was one of the kindest people I have ever met.


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