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PostSubject: Bullying?   Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:13 pm

So what do you guys think of this? I can totally understand her...I was bullied myself (as a kid), which is why, to this day my self-esteem is extremely low. However...did this letter sound like bullying, or just an opinion?

I actually thought it was cruel...but that's just me!

http://youtu.be/rUOpqd0rQSo
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:50 pm

Well, I now feel the need to skip my lunch break and stay with my kids while they eat and then take them back upstairs during their recess and my contractual duty-free lunch... all because the 4th graders who they share their recess time with always involve my second graders in their petty nonsense.


The letter, was not bullying... it said the (sad) truth but it did not call her names, or belittle her really...

It was, however, ignorant. Jennifer was absolutely right... This person has NO idea who she is. From what I noticed... Jennifer seems to have the type of body that has to be large. Her fingers are wide and stubby, and she does NOT have a double chin -- meaning she is supposed to be large. The author of that ignorant note is literally digging his or her own grave when he or she wrote how they generally don't watch the show.

One of my 7 year old's has a double chin -- she was NOT born that fat.

One last thing... About promoting a healthy lifestyle... the author of the note is either a disgustingly skinny athetic trainer or instructor OR suffering from some type of body dismorphia.

I went back and I paid attention to the name... it was a man's. Jennifer even says he was a man. So, apparently he isn't attracted to someone who is large. Well, that is wonderful. I hope he finds all the Ginger Grants he wants to be with. Because, apparently to him, women seem to be objects or prizes to be won.

One ultimately last thing... Julmer... I know you mentioned that you were bullied... I was bullied too, and the funny thing, I think EVERYONE has been bullied in one way or another.

Someone has to bully the school bullies in order for them to turn the tables on the innocent and the weak. Most bullies I have know, have bully parents. One parent even burst into my room to pick her child up and the office didn't even know! When I quietly explained how she couldn't keep on coming up here like that, she became threatening, in front of her daughter and the other students. When I told the principal, about 3 minutes afterwards, the principal called the head of the shelter where they were living at ( I know!) and told them that the mother is NOT allowed INSIDE our school unless accompanied with someone with the shelter!! Her daughter's behavior was as disgusting as her mother's.

PS... moderators... go right ahead and etit my posts all you like. I just wish I was able to edit what that disgusting mother said to me, her daughter and my other students when she burst into my classroom.


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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:00 pm

His letter was a pseudo-intellectual version of calling her "Fatso". Bullying doesn't always have to be physical, it can be emotional as well. He called her obese, a bad example to kids, and irresponsible as a public figure. He wrote, "Surely you don't consider yourself a suitable example for this community's young people, girls in particular".....And why does he say this? Because she's "fat". The ONLY reason that he's basing his email on. She could be working in her church, teaching kids to read, volunteering in soup kitchens, living a life that shows kids what compassion and self-sacrifice look like - but she's fat, so she's a bad example. That may be his opinion, but when he chose to take the next step and voice his opinion in the manner in which he did, it was no longer his private opinion, but had crossed over into cyber -bullying. It's none of his business if she's heavyset, and as you stated, it was cruel - which is what bullying is at its very core. He absolutely comes off as a controlling bully to me. If this was a family member or a close friend coming to her with concern, telling her that they're worried about her health, etc. etc., it would be different. But for a stranger to email her and tell her that she's fat and a bad example?? He crossed the line.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:01 am

Yep, cyber-bullying indeed. Manipulation. Just because he sounds intelligent in saying it doesn't make it acceptable. This is NOT the way to go about 'helping' someone. And gee, maybe I'm just showing my age here, but I remember a day when newscasters came in ALL shapes and sizes, beautiful and not so attractive. Whistle Since when do newscasters need to be role models?! scratchead They're just relaying the news, for crying out loud!

Here is the latest on this subject....he has come forward and is not apologetic in the least. In typical bully form. Yikes

http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bully-viewer-stands-critical-email-overweight-tv-anchor-180707171--abc-news-fashion-and-beauty.html
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:07 am

It figures. It's because of people like him there are so many low self-esteem issues. This is also the reason why people, mostly women, end up having eating disorders.

Someone once tried to "help" me by telling me that I was gaining weight, which is fine...however...this person also told me that if I continued to gain weight, no man was ever going to fall for me! I'm not even going to tell you who said that to me...because you wouldn't believe it...I'll just say this person is related to me and I'll leave it at that. There was a time 20 years ago that I was so obsessed with losing weight, that I went WAY below my average weight. I'm 5'8", and I went down to 120! I'm supposed to weigh between 140's-150's. Everyone around me became worried, saying I looked too skinny. All but the person I mentioned above. That person thought I looked FABULOUS. I was living on nothing but slim fast and lean cuisine!

I also went on that "cookie diet" a few years back. I thought it was safe because it was monitored by a doctor. I ended up in the hospital, with hardly no potassium! Since then, I keep having issues with low potassium.

I'm a tad bit overweight, and I'm working on that. No more diet gimmicks for me. I eat whatever I want, in moderation...and I walk on my treadmill for an hour almost every day. When the weather finally starts to cool down here, I'll start walking around my neighborhood instead. I love the fresh air! I even "splurge" once in a while. Guess what? I'm losing the weight! It's not because of these bullies, or these people who are judgemental. It's not even for my looks. It's for my health. I personally think that guy was a bully...just a "polite" one. Still a bully.

I bet he was one of those kids that would call other kids "ugly." I was called "ugly" as a kid...and the first half of my teens. It was ok by the time I got to high school, but by then, I was scarred. Still am. I'm just so happy there was no internet back then...it would have been so much worse!

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:48 am

Posts are edited on this board at the discretion of the moderators because we have people of all ages on here; including children.



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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:49 am

Jules Smiley Hug

My weight goes up & down too & my Mom is the biggest critic
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:57 am

Thanks for the hug, Kamberley! Right back atcha! Smiley Hug
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:45 pm

I remember the time when if women dressed like they do in my local news, they would have been fired. Now they want women that wear tight, low-cut dresses, leopard prints and mini skirts. Before, if a woman had a nice older appearance (like Diane Sawyer) or was a little on the heavier side, she looked trusting and warm.

I don't feel that with the young, more "clubbing" look some have. Maybe my age, but classy is not something that goes out of style and if a newscaster is heavy, so what, no one would EVER say that about a guy.

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:09 pm

I think that letter was bullying. For sure. Also, I think that its good to have public figures out there who aren't perfect Barbie dolls. Jenifer is a good example. Not all girls are built to be skinny and petite.
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:50 am

I just saw this video and felt compelled to post it in the bullying thread. This poor girl made the video with a series of note cards to tell her story. She killed herself just weeks after posting the video.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/10/15-year-old_girl_found_dead_we.html
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:33 pm

That is just awful!!
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:40 pm

Yeah,its too sad


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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:50 pm

It's very sad, the girl was cutting and had tried to kill herself before. She was crying out for help multiple times. I may be wrong in saying this but I can't help but feel her parents needed to do more here. Like maybe get her off the internet?
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:53 pm

Kamberley wrote:
It's very sad, the girl was cutting and had tried to kill herself before. She was crying out for help multiple times. I may be wrong in saying this but I can't help but feel her parents needed to do more here. Like maybe get her off the internet?

I agree with you 100% Kamberley..
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:56 pm

Debbie wrote:
Kamberley wrote:
It's very sad, the girl was cutting and had tried to kill herself before. She was crying out for help multiple times. I may be wrong in saying this but I can't help but feel her parents needed to do more here. Like maybe get her off the internet?

I agree with you 100% Kamberley..


I'm trying not to judge, but it's hard not too. After reading through that whole thing. She needed more supervision obviously starting way back in the 7th grade. The internet is ugly....you have to know who your kids are talking to. It's so scary. No child should have to go through what this poor girl did. Kids should not be in such 'grown up' situations---they just don't have the capacity to deal with it. And honestly I'm wondering what anit-depressants she was on. I've said it before and I'll say it again---they are dangerous and can actually make a person suicidal. No

And seriously, when did parents start losing such control? I know this sounds harsh, but if my kid were in this much trouble I wouldn't have a home computer, and he wouldn't have a phone to text with. It may not solve everything, but it would be a start anyway. Blue
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:00 pm

I agree with Kamberley and amy too. This shouldn't have happened. Parents should be watching over there children when it comes to internet.


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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:11 pm

It is a known fact in the education field (at least where I got my education) that antidepressants used by people younger than 18 years of age is the worst thing to do.

Most people are suicidal but are afraid of doing it because of fear of botching it and then living with the humility of being a "Martha Dumptruck" (see the movie the Heathers). The anti depressant takes the fear away. When someone young takes antidepressant and kills themself, they do it, bot because they are sad from their life or whatever, they do it because they are no longer afraid to do it!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:26 pm

I had no idea.I thought it was suppose to make the person feel "Happy"


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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:12 pm

I finally saw the whole video...I couldn't earlier at work. This broke my heart! I wanted to reach out and help her...I wish somebody had. What a sad, sad, horrible situation. There were plenty of bullies around when I was a kid, but it has gotten so bad now...mostly thanks to the internet! Kids are also so aggressive nowadays...why can't parents teach them early on that this is wrong? Unless they are actually bullies themselves (not surprising).
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:55 am

sweetkrissy2011 wrote:
I had no idea.I thought it was suppose to make the person feel "Happy"

Krissy this is a good article on the subject....scroll down to where it says 'risk of suicide'. And people don't realize it, but there are number of natural things on the market that are safer and actually work. We had my son on one when he was around 13 and 14 and it did wonders for him.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/What_are_the_real_risks_of_antidepressants.htm



julmer70 wrote:
I finally saw the whole video...I couldn't earlier at work. This broke my heart! I wanted to reach out and help her...I wish somebody had. What a sad, sad, horrible situation. There were plenty of bullies around when I was a kid, but it has gotten so bad now...mostly thanks to the internet!


For real....the bullies in our schools were not nearly as bad as kids are today. No And you know, we shouldn't be surprised. Yes, kids are more aggressive in schools too, but look how people act online. Do you ever read the yahoo news article comments? HORRID. It's like the dregs of the earth are on there or something. Yikes Very toxic and I don't even bother reading much of them anymore. People feel a sense of freedom online, and totally get their kicks from telling people off or just being mean in general. It's a lot 'easier' to say something negative to someone when you can't see their reaction, obviously. Huh? Very sad. I mean, there was an article recently on bullying and half the mean commenters couldn't see that they were in fact bullying some of their fellow commenters! scratchead Seems like 3/4 of Americans are lacking decent parenting. help
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:09 am

For real....the bullies in our schools were not nearly as bad as kids are today. No And you know, we shouldn't be surprised. Yes, kids are more aggressive in schools too, but look how people act online. Do you ever read the yahoo news article comments? HORRID. It's like the dregs of the earth are on there or something. Yikes Very toxic and I don't even bother reading much of them anymore. People feel a sense of freedom online, and totally get their kicks from telling people off or just being mean in general. It's a lot 'easier' to say something negative to someone when you can't see their reaction, obviously. Huh? Very sad. I mean, there was an article recently on bullying and half the mean commenters couldn't see that they were in fact bullying some of their fellow commenters! scratchead Seems like 3/4 of Americans are lacking decent parenting. help [/quote]


Tell me about it, Amy! The online bullying is why I left the imdb LH board. I was actually made fun of for...get this...being an "Albert" fan! Just because the majority of them on there hate Albert...but one of them basically ridiculed me. One even suggested that if I don't like it I can leave...so...I did! It was insane! It's like we can't even have our own opinions over there. That board over there is so nasty. They just love bashing characters, actors, and ESPECIALLY each other. The sad part is, these are all supposedly adults! I wouldn't be surprised if those people had kids who are bullies as well. In fact, I'm willing to bet they even encourage it. No
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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:12 am

I agree about how teens and kids can be.I think the way they act really comes down to the parents and how they raise them.

wow,Thanks.Yikes then doctors should be giving kids the bills that were listed;


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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:03 pm

Saw this and had to share....this is not just for children...there are a lot of adults, parents and even teachers that bully people.....




A teacher in New York was teaching her class about bullying and gave them the following exercise to perform. She had the children take a piece of paper and told them to crumple it up, stomp on it and really mess it up but do not rip it. Then she had them unfold the paper, smooth it out and look at how scarred and dirty is was. She then told them to tell it they’re sorry. Now even though they said they were sorry and tried to fix the paper, she pointed out all the scars they left behind. And that those scars will never go away no matter how hard they tried to fix it. That is what happens when a child bully’s another child, they may say they’re sorry but the scars are there forever. The looks on the faces of the children in the classroom told her the message hit home. Pass it on or better yet, if you're a parent or a teacher, do it with your child/children.



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PostSubject: Re: Bullying?   Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:17 pm

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Tell me about it, Amy! The online bullying is why I left the imdb LH board. I was actually made fun of for...get this...being an "Albert" fan! Just because the majority of them on there hate Albert...but one of them basically ridiculed me. One even suggested that if I don't like it I can leave...so...I did! It was insane! It's like we can't even have our own opinions over there. That board over there is so nasty. They just love bashing characters, actors, and ESPECIALLY each other. The sad part is, these are all supposedly adults! I wouldn't be surprised if those people had kids who are bullies as well. In fact, I'm willing to bet they even encourage it. No

Wow, I'll stay away from IMDB boards. Yikes Good thing you left there...you never know if the grass is greener until you try, and I'm glad you tried, Julie. yes You won't find any of that over here....I have been here for ages and it is a respectful place. I can't imagine anyone ridiculing others for which character they like?! Talk about immature! scratchead


sweetkrissy2011 wrote:
I agree about how teens and kids can be.I think the way they act really comes down to the parents and how they raise them.

It's not foolproof, but it's close to being so I'd say. I only say that because I have a sister who is bipolar and her behavior in life (without meds) has had no reflection on how she was raised by my parents. There are the exception. But gosh, the world sure would be a better place if people would just act as people did on Little House on the Prairie! Whistle (Well, aside from the Olesons of course. Wink ).


Rhonda, that is fabulous. I have some teacher friends I would love to share this with....is there a link to an article on it?

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