- Davetucson wrote:
- Bringing the show back was not an option...I doubt very seriously that NBC lost any money from the 3 movies. The show was over Peter. ALL shows come to an end....Certainly Vince could have written another ending, but obviously he chose to leave Albert up in the air.......but I don't find anything strange about it.........
Did I like it? No I didn't....but there is a positive side. The love Albert had for Walnut Grove...
As far as blowing up Walnut Grove, it was part of the deal with the property owner. The sets had to be destroyed and the land brought back to it's original state. Michael just chose to incorporate that into the last movie....
Thanks for the answers Dave.
When I posted my first long text about all this I did it because I didn’t feel that I could come any further by myself.
So I wanted to know if there were any more information, built on facts, that I could compare to what I believed had happened. And I guessed that the best place to find it would be on a forum for longtime fans.
The things that you just wrote was exactly what I was looking for and please don’t get me wrong now, I don’t want it to sound as I distrust you, but I really would like to know the source of your information.
Why wasn’t it an option to bring back the show after a couple of years? It has happened to other shows.
Does this come from any interview or any document or did anyone involved tell you about it? I really would like to share that information.
I know that Karen Grassle has said in an interview that she felt sorry about that Michael had made the decision to blow up Walnut grove. That doesn’t sound to me as it was part of any deal but maybe she hasn’t got all information about it.
But it also sounds perfectly logical to me that they wanted to remove the buildings if they should return the land to some external owner.
However this is not any proof to me that they couldn’t hire the land again a couple of years later. When I see pictures of it from recent years it looks quite untouched to me.
So again, do you want to share your sources with me about the information that they returned the land to someone outside the cast or NBC? And were there any information available about the possibility to hire it again a few years after 1984?
The thing that really bothers me in all this is the question about what Michael felt for the character Albert? I can’t stop asking myself that question. I believed that he cared a lot for him all through all episodes up to I first heard about and eventually saw “Look back to yesterday”.
Michael created Albert, gave him a father and a loving family and seems to also have cared a lot for Matthew. It’s of course not right to mix Michael and Charles up, Charles obviously loved Albert throughout the whole show, but what about Michael?
Why did he suddenly feel that he could let Albert suffer and perhaps die?
If it was his intention to let Albert die when he knew that the show was near an ending then it’s the same thing to me as if a father first says that he loves his son and then heartlessly abandons him without any feelings.
All this are of course only my personal feelings but it would have been a big lie and betrayal in my eyes!
I know that it will sound strange to a lot of you but it physically hurts inside me to think about it! Hard words of course but I can’t explain it in any other way.
I understand that it’s probably not a proper thing to write the following words about an icon as Michael Landon but it’s my opinion that if he, a person who apparently already had earned about 100 million dollars on the show, could make the choice to let Albert die just in order to make some more money, then he would pale a lot in my eyes. And it really would spoil a lot to me about the meaning with the show. I simply wouldn’t be able to forgive him about it and I wouldn’t be able to look at him the way I used to do.
I’m the first one to admit that I really want to believe that Albert did survive and became a doctor!
And I really wish that the movie “Look back to yesterday” was never produced!
I wouldn’t need any psychologist to understand that myself.
But I have tried really hard to think through all episodes from season 5 to the last movie, with my mind as opened as I can, in order to find clues about what happened.
And it’s always two things that strikes me when I think about it.
The first thing is that the show is actually very well written and that they have put down a lot of time and work to make years, ages and stories to hold together, at least through the original 9 seasons.
When I wanted to question the year of 1881 on the paper that Jeremy Quinn signed in “The Family tree” in order to find out about Alberts birth year it was quite easy to find the part in the ending of “The Winoka warriors” where Laura says that it’s November 1880. And that was early in season 5.
“The Family tree” was a season later, early in season 6 and a couple of episodes later, in middle of season 6, we have the episode “What ever happened to the class of 56?” where Caroline and Charles gets an invitation to the celebration of the 25th anniversary of the class of 1856.
The year of 1856 plus 25 years would be the year of 1881.
And the whole show is full of this kind of stuff that seems to fit together.
Now, if it is that way through the original 9 seasons why wouldn’t it be the same way in the last 3 movies? Did they suddenly not care about details anymore? For example, when they said in season 9 that Albert was to become the doctor of Walnut grove, was that not important anymore in the post-series movies? Why not? It would have been important earlier on in the history of LHOTP.
“The Last farewell” was written by Michael himself and he if anyone was always careful with details so why wouldn’t he be that in that last movie? Why didn’t he make sure that all questions got an answer?
The other thing that strikes me is that the answer that Albert should have died from his illness creates more questions to me than if the answer would be that he didn’t die.
If Albert did die from his illness after “Look back to yesterday” why isn’t there any information about any funeral?
We have the scene in “Look back to yesterday” when Albert is in the hospital bed talking to Charles about that he didn’t want to go back to Burr Oak because he wanted to ”go home” to Walnut grove.
Albert says “Take me back to Walnut grove pa, I became Albert Ingalls there. Take me back. Let me go back there and stay forever. Please pa, okay?” And Charles replies “Okay”.
That for me is a wish from Albert to be buried in his beloved town Walnut grove and to me it’s also a confirmation from Charles that he will be.
Now, we know that Caroline sees the Wilders house for the first time in “The Last farewell” and she hasn’t been in Walnut grove for 3 years.
Therefor she couldn’t have been in Walnut grove after “Look back to yesterday”.
So wasn’t she present at Alberts funeral? That sounds totally absurd to me!
Or was she present but didn’t visit the Wilders house? That also sounds highly unlikely!
And if she wasn’t present at the funeral wouldn’t it be one of her first priorities to visit the grave when she arrived to Walnut grove? But she didn’t! She didn’t even talk about it. No one did! Not even in the end of the movie when they had to destroy the town and leave forever!
Or did Charles break his promise to Albert and didn’t bury him in Walnut grove? That would be a heartbreaking answer and to me not very likely!
Or didn’t Michael Landon care anymore about this kind of details that he was so careful with before?
Or wasn’t Albert dead to Michael when he wrote the story for “The Last farewell”?
And to that there are all those other questions that I have described before like, why was there so little information about the illness, why didn’t they give any accurate answers about his fate and why did Michael want to use this subject on Albert when he could have written about almost anything? Things that I tried to present theories about in my first post but that only seems to create supplementary questions to me if the answers wouldn’t be that he survived from his blood disorder.
When it comes to blowing up the town Michael obviously wanted to do that on the screen, even though there were people around him that didn’t want it to happen, so he did it in a way that no one could misinterpret. The town as we know it was gone.
But if he also wanted Albert to die, why didn’t he do that thing properly too? Why leave that question without any clear answers? He was obviously not afraid to do things his own way if he wanted to. Didn’t he want Albert to die?
I really would like to know what Michael had in his mind about it!
If there were anyone who deserved to know what was going on with the character Albert it would have been, as I see it, Matthew himself but not even he seems to be sure if Albert was dead or not. Why?
I want you to know Dave that I really appreciate that you have taken time to argue with me!
I also got a few more comments from other persons, and I also would like to thank all those persons for their posts even if I didn’t answer to them! But I felt that I did answer in all my other posts.
You, Dave, are obviously a lot older than I am and you have loved this show for decades. And I guess that you made up your mind about Alberts destiny many years ago.
I have only loved the show for a couple of months and I’m still looking for answers. And I’m not sure that I will come to the same conclusions in the end as you seem to have done.
But again, I really would like to thank you for taking time with me!
However, it has become more and more clear to me that there are not many people on this forum that are prepared to discuss this and in that situation I feel that I maybe will ruin the good feeling about the show for a lot of people if I continue.
And I don’t want to do that!
So I think that the best thing for everybody seems to be that I continue to look for my answers on other places.
I hope that my thoughts about different details was at least a little bit interesting to some of you and maybe there are, or will be, anyone that feels a little bit as I do that can get something out of all this.
Love to you all and take care!