Downton Abbey SPOILER THREAD

I really hate what they are doing to Thomas this season.  

I think they did a good job with the scene--you knew what was happening without them showing it. Pregnancy was one of my first thoughts too. This will definitely change the Bates/Anna relationship from the happily married couple to who knows what. We will have to wait and see. And from the previews for the next episode... Tom, Tom, Tom. What are you thinking? I knew there would be trouble as soon as he started talking to her.

Tomorrow we watch episode 5 but we haven't discussed episode 4 yet, has everyone seen it?

I think this episode was a bit full. There was a lot going on.

I do like Tony but it took a second viewing until I was convinced that he might be ok for Mary. He is somewhat handsome but not as handsome as Matthew was. But he sounds that he really cares for Mary, enough that he would board the same train just to get back to Downton to have a private talk with her. I love the response that she gives him before he leaves that her brain is still full of Matthew and she doesn't want to be rid of him yet. I know that she will move on in time but that was sweet.

I love the way that Violet tries to get Isobel out of her depression. You can see that Violet truly cares for Isobel. They had a rocky start when the Crawleys first arrived but now they are contemporaries. Love it!

As for Rose, I think I liked the servant from the dance a few episodes ago better for Rose than this new band leader. I don't like his voice, it sounds like a little boy's coming from a grown man.

Edith is very foolish, staying out all night. That will only lead to trouble. And not reading the document that she signed was very foolish. It may come back to bite her.

Anna and Bates are struggling and it is so sad to watch. Glad to see that Robert picked up on both of them and tried to help them out.

Glad that Edna is leaving, but I doubt that it will be the last we see of her.

I saw in an online news article that Edna is only scheduled to be in the first 4 episodes. So, for now we are rid of her. But who knows, Lord Fellows may bring her back in Series 5, just because he can.

Anna looks so miserable, it's hard to see her like this. Since the rape episode aired I have watched a few of the old episodes and was amazed to see how often she cries in the show. Poor dear. I've heard a spoiler about this weeks episode and so I am really looking forward to tomorrow night.

Daisy hasn't given Mr. Mason an answer yet. As I said in a post on FB, everyone needs someone special that cares about them and for Daisy, that is Mr. Mason. He thinks of her as a daughter and I am really hoping that he shows up in an episode somewhere. He isn't mentioned in the press pack so maybe he will be in Season 5. He was a very dear man.

I have to say, I am elated about this FB page and being able to see these episodes on a Sunday night, just like the UK does!  Thank you SO much Marilyn, for pointing us in the right direction! Yay!

I watched episode 5....after last weeks somewhat 'lackluster' episode, needless to say I really enjoyed this one!

Once some of you have watched it I'll make some comments...

Glad to be of service Amy. If you want to join the discussion page, go to Downton Abbey Discussion Page

Oh my gosh, this is the best episode so far this season. I loved it!

I am so happy that Bates finally knows the truth about Anna and I don't blame him one bit for overhearing (on purpose) when Anna and Mrs. Hughes were talking and then for him going to Mrs. Hughes to insist that he tell her the truth. I felt sorry for Mrs Hughes that she had to break her promise to Anna but its better for everyone this way. (So far at least, let's hope that he doesn't do anything stupid to get himself into hot water.) He said once that he learned a thing or two in prison, let's hope that he learned how to get the man without getting himself hanged. Watching him cry as he found out really broke my heart, what a good actor Brendon is. And his words to Anna as he held her face in his hands, wow, amazing.

I loved the moment with Tom, Mary and the kids. Sibbie is so cute and Little George is absolutely gorgeous! Precious moments. Lets hope that we see more of those!

Mr. Moleseley, I don't understand how he can be a footman. A footman in those days were always young men, the peacocks of the staff who were always around to help the family. There is a historical adviser on this show named Alistair Bruce and I'm amazed that he let this storyline get through. Mr M. is way too old to be a footman. I'll have to ask this question on the discussion page and see what answers I can find out.

Yay! I'm caught up now. So happy that Edna is gone! So glad that Bates knows the truth (at least most of it). It was hard watching Anna rejecting him. It's funny, Marilyn, that you loved how Violet was with Isobel to get her out of her depression, because I was kind of glad Violet was back to her old self with Isobel in episode 5. Was the man who showed up at the towards the end of ep. 5 in a previous episode? I don't remember him but it kind of seemed like we should know who he is when he was talking to Mary.

Do you mean Evelyn Napier? Yes, he was in Series 1, brought the Turkish diplomat Kamal Pamuk to Downton who ended up dying in Mary's bed. He returned again later in Series 1 to tell Mary that it was Lady Edith who had written to the Turkish embassy to tell them how Pamuk died.

I thought it might be the guy who brought the Turkish diplomat, but I didn't remember what he looked like. You're much more on top of things than I am, Marilyn.

I am sadly addicted to this show Lori. I am watching it all the time!!! No matter how many times I've seen an episode, I catch something else. I am on 3 facebook groups and have about 3 other fan pages that hit my timeline and keep me busy.

Marilyn!  It is addicting, for sure.

I had to 'think' about the Turkish diplomat too, Lori, when he walked into the room...I was like, "Wait, what? Who?" I thought it was him, but then I thought it was kind of odd that Mary seemed truly GLAD and happy to see him! Like an old long lost friend. I thought that reaction was a tad odd. I mean, a friendly greeting of course, but she was a bit overboard I think.

I agree, Marilyn...best episode yet this season! I am beyond relieved that this is out in the open between Bates & Anna, but I'm definitely worried about him and their future. He will figure this out. And the thing is, he overheard Anna & Mrs. Hughes talking together, so obviously he heard the part about Anna wanting him to never find out about who did it. He knows she knows. He'd be a fool to believe her that it's not Mr. Green, but I will say she did a good job of covering for him. So sad. 

The good news about Gillingham getting engaged is that his valet won't have any reason to visit.

I'm just relieved there will be no baby for Anna. I don't think I could have handled that...actually SEEING her pregnant. However, I do think we have someone else to worry about being pregnant.  Where is Gregson????? I think he really love Edith! I can't imagine he ran out on her? This is weird; I think something happened to him...perhaps an accident or he's in trouble or something. He may not be who he seems to be, but I do believe he loves her. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens with that storyline.

Oh, and Lori, I love Lady Grantham and Isobel's bantering back and forth---they are a HOOT! I love that they actually are friends, but they say what they feel, that's what's neat. They can share tender moments, but that they let each other have it, if necessary! 

I agree, Amy, about Napier and Mary's greeting. You would think seeing him would remind her of what happened with the diplomat, which would not make her happy, one would think. Violet's halo comment to Isobel was pretty funny. Does anyone have any guesses who the new lady's maid is? I had trouble understanding Barrow when he was talking to her. It almost sounded like he called her mom/mum, but he mumbles to much for this American to pick up everything he says. She doesn't look old enough for that.

Lady Lori wrote:

I agree, Amy, about Napier and Mary's greeting.  You would think seeing him would remind her of what happened with the diplomat, which would not make her happy, one would think.  Violet's halo comment to Isobel was pretty funny.  Does anyone have any guesses who the new lady's maid is?  I had trouble understanding Barrow when he was talking to her.  It almost sounded like he called her mom/mum, but he mumbles to much for this American to pick up everything he says.  She doesn't look old enough for that.  

Oh, I love Violet's comment about the halo!  She is such a hoot.  And I read on the fb 'conversation page' (there's a link a few posts ago if you want to check it out, suggested by Marilyn) that people are wondering if the new lady's maid is his sister.  She seemed genuinely displeased to hear that he is not well liked within the household.  This should be interesting...

Lady Savannah wrote:

Yep - I also thought that Mary's greeting was out-of-character for her. Especially considering the memories that he was associated with. She doesn't greet anyone with that warmth, let alone a man who was privy to such an unpleasant experience.

Yes!  That's it exactly....not sure why Michelle 'played it' like that, but it was odd.

Lady Savannah wrote:

Not to knock the show, but I really do wish that they hadn't rushed through so many years so quickly. I wish they'd have remained in the Edwardian years for a little while longer before shooting into WWI and the roaring 20s.  

Oh Lisa, you and me both!!  I'm ok with them getting to this era eventually, but I soooooo wish the Edwardian era (and the clothes that came with it!!) had stuck around for a couple more seasons.

Wow, another great episode this week! It really is picking up now! 

Gosh, how awesome to have this facebook group, Marilyn. I never expected to be able to watch DA on Sunday nights!! 

It was a good episode, although not terribly exciting or shocking. Next weeks should be interesting.

Amy, you and Lisa are responsible for getting me into this show. I'm addicted, thanks a lot, lol. So, if I find something good to share, I do. I'm here to serve. Enjoy

LIWnut wrote:

Amy, you and Lisa are responsible for getting me into this show.  I'm addicted, thanks a lot, lol.  So, if I find something good to share, I do.  I'm here to serve.  Enjoy

LOL, I am glad we could bring you so much joy, Marilyn! 

I've had a busy week and didn't get here. I will just give a few thoughts.

I still don't like Jack's voice, he sounds like a little boy singing.
I don't really think that Edith is pregnant. The wording of the letter gives too much of an out. I think JF is just leading us along and then she will find out that there is no baby.
I felt sorry for Anna and Bates as they are waiting to be seated at the restaurant. What a jerk that guy was. Way to go Cora to get there at just the right moment. Unfortunately, in real life this happens too often. People need to treat each other better.
Was happy to see that Robert liked Rose's gift, after he got over the shock of seeing a black man in his house. But he took Cora by the arm and had FUN, just as it was meant to be enjoyed. Edith, however, gave comments of prejudice, which of course unfortunately was the norm.
Loved the scene with Isobel, Tom and Mary in the nursery. I saw an interview with Alan and Michelle and she said that the children were scheduled to be in the scene and they were supposed to be feeding them. But the children were crying and didn't want to eat so they changed the scene so that the babies came in at the end. Bummer, we didn't get to see much of them, they are so cute.

Looking forward to tonight's show.

I just finished watching ep. 7. I was thinking the same thing about letter Edith got about symptoms being consistent with pregnancy. I thought it would turn out that she is not. She seems to be convinced that she is anyway. Daisy is getting on my nerves the way she treats Ivy. She didn't love William, but she thinks Alfred is wonderful? I never really cared that much for Alfred, so I don't miss him.

Lori wrote:

I just finished watching ep. 7.  I was thinking the same thing about letter Edith got about symptoms being consistent with pregnancy.  I thought it would turn out that she is not.  She seems to be convinced that she is anyway.  Daisy is getting on my nerves the way she treats Ivy.  She didn't love William, but she thinks Alfred is wonderful?  I never really cared that much for Alfred, so I don't miss him.

  I completely agree, Lori. I know that Daisy is jealous, and that's why she can't see it - but Ivy hasn't treated Alfred any worse than Daisy treated William. (And William was infinitely more charming in my opinion. Alfred got on my nerves.    So I just haven't been able to see the appeal in Alfred.) Yet Daisy treats Ivy as if she despised Alfred and treated him like dirt. She said that Ivy "made his life miserable".    If she meant that Ivy did that by not going out with Alfred, then Daisy should understand that more than anyone else, after her experiences with William. If she meant that Ivy did it intentionally, then I think she's wrong. Ivy didn't appear to purposely go out of her way to hurt Alfred. (At least not that I can recall.) I feel sorry for Daisy on one level because she's lonely, and unrequited love does hurt. But she's still gotten annoying.

If you haven't watched episode 7, DON'T READ THE REST OF THIS!

Could they have PICKED a better actor to play that disgusting, vile, horrid, slimy Mr. Green?? He no more than walked into the room and I wanted to do him in! (I believe that my expression somewhat resembled that of Mrs. Hughes'.  ) Oh my gosh - when Mrs. Hughes confronted Mr. Green alone in that room, I was fully expecting him to become violent when he realized that she wasn't buying his "we were drunk" bit. The music in the background sounded like SOMETHING was going to happen. And I love Mrs. Hughes. Yep. Each season she endears herself more to me. Oh - and toward the end of the episode, when they were all seated around the table, and Green mentioned that he'd gone downstairs for some air during the concert (on THAT night)....The tension was SO THICK. Bates obviously knows now. I mean, the look on his face said it all. And I was rather surprised that he was able to restrain himself. I half-expected to see him going across the table after Green - and Mrs. Hughes would have helped him.    

I was very relieved that Edith didn't go through with the planned abortion. I'm still not quite fully convinced that she's actually pregnant, though, because *we* aren't seeing any symptoms. You know? If it does turn out that she's pregnant, I kind of expect that there will be some sort of accident that Edith is involved in, and she'll miscarry. I really doubt that we'll see her go through a full pregnancy. I could be wrong, though - because the next episode hints at her coming up with some sort of resolution for the situation. So we shall see. I thought she was rather rude to Rose. I mean, really?? "Can't you just try to fit in for once?" . . . Um, this coming from Edith?? Somehow I think that having an affair with a married man, along with the reason she was in London to begin with *might* not be considered "trying to fit in" back in the early 1900s in England.    

Mary TOTALLY shocked me when she pitched right in and got to work watering the pigs. Good for her! Who SAYS she won't fight for Downton?? (And once again, I miss Matthew. He would have been SO proud of her!)

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, it's getting a little old to see Thomas ordering Baxter around while we have no knowledge of their connection or what he has on her. C'mon. It isn't mysterious anymore.    It's annoying.

Oh, and Violet's illness! Yikes - at her age, bronchitis can be pretty serious. Her remarks after beginning to recover cracked me up so much! Dr. Clarkson said something like, "You'll be rewarded in heaven" to Lady Violet, after she said that Isobel could return that evening... and she replied, "It can't come soon enough."    And when Isobel said that the game could go on and on for hours, Lady Violet: "Oh, goody, goody."     Those two are priceless!

I'm looking forward to next week's episode already!

The women made the show!  Mrs Hughes told Green a thing or two, Mary got down and dirty, Edith made the right decision, Rosamond was there to be Edith's support system, the Dowager had the best lines as always and I truly loved Cora's lines to Robert as he was leaving and to Edith when she was sad.  
The men??  Yes they were there too.  Green is an idiot and if he doesn't know it now, he soon will.  Carson gave Mrs Hughes a strange look when she left the table after Green arrived.  I wonder how long it will take for him to find out what has happened underneath his nose.  Thomas sounded excited to go to America when he was talking to Jimmy but not so much when he was leaving and talking to Baxter.  Molesley will find out what is going on between Baxter and Barrow.  Wouldn't it be cute if he had a crust on her??
And then there's Bates.  Heaven help Green!  I think that he will get someone to do his dirty work for him.  
These 7, almost 8 weeks have gone by way too fast. Now we have to wait another 7 or 8 til Christmas Day. Oh well, we can watch the shows all again in January.

Is there one more episode and then the Christmas left, or just the Christmas?