Sylvia

Subject: Sylvia Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:34 pm

Hi who was the Rapper on Sylvia? Was it the Livery Stabel Guy?

Guest

If I remeber right it was the blacksmith. Wave

Subject: Re: Sylvia Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:57 pm

Yep, it was Irv Hartwig, the blacksmith. Oddly enough, the "Irv Hartwig, Blacksmith" sign can still be seen in later episodes. You'd think Albert would have ripped that thing down and burned it. :scratch:

Subject: Re: Sylvia Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:57 pm

jes9 wrote:: Yep, it was Irv Hartwig, the blacksmith. Oddly enough, the "Irv Hartwig, Blacksmith" sign can still be seen in later episodes. You'd think Albert would have ripped that thing down and burned it. :scratch:

Well..that is what happens when new writers come in who don't know what happened in earlier episodes

"Music is a Kind and Truthful Speech"

Subject: Re: Sylvia Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:04 pm

Yes. I tought about it many, but many times...And this makes Hyphas (the one of the "Little House Encyclopedy") to forge one of his wild theories... grinsmiley

He assured that before Mr. Carter established himself in Walnut Grove, the town remained TEN YEARS without a blacksimth. I don't know how did he figure it out! affraid

Vanesa.

Subject: Re: Sylvia Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:27 am

Thanks

Subject: Re: Sylvia Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:55 pm

jes9 wrote:: Yep, it was Irv Hartwig, the blacksmith. Oddly enough, the "Irv Hartwig, Blacksmith" sign can still be seen in later episodes. You'd think Albert would have ripped that thing down and burned it. :scratch:

Yeah really! I thought it was creepy to see that still hanging there.

Beckie

LETS GO PENS!

Subject: Re: Sylvia Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:05 pm

MattLabMyLove wrote:

jes9 wrote:: Yep, it was Irv Hartwig, the blacksmith. Oddly enough, the "Irv Hartwig, Blacksmith" sign can still be seen in later episodes. You'd think Albert would have ripped that thing down and burned it. :scratch:

Yeah really! I thought it was creepy to see that still hanging there.

Beckie

Wow!

Unbelievable... I would have gone to the mill and shredded that sign to pieces!

Ingalls Friend for Life Number of posts : 7892 Mood :

I've never seen this episode and personally I don't think I want to see it. Is it very graphic?

Subject: Re: Sylvia Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:19 pm

Actually, I consider "Sylvia" to be among the best episodes of the entire series. It is so full of excitement and intensity. I will take its so-called unusual plot over a typical Season 1 script any day. Those who have not seen the episode yet are in for one heck of a roller-coaster ride.

Guest

That is so weird about the sign. You think the entire town would've burned it.

To answer ingallsfan2008, I didn't find it graphic, but VERY disturbing. Creepy. The only graphic scene is a bit of a fight/struggle. They don't show the r**pe. Just afterwards with Sylvia crying and disheveled. It's a very un-LHOTP episode though with the extreme close-ups of the guy's eye watching/stalking, the horror-film-like composing, and the ridiculously creepy mask.

SPOILERS AHEAD - I kind of assume everyone knows this stuff though!

To respond to David, my boyfriend and I have been watching the series in order over the last several years and we recently watched Sylvia. Sometimes my boyfriend is a little bored with certain episodes, but he was totally enthralled with this one. You're right, it really is a roller-coaster ride. I think that had if it had a happier ending - (Albert and Sylvia are together & Hartwig dies), then more people would think it was a good episode. Thematically, it's very heavy but it's also very emotional and suspenseful. I just think the depressing ending just ruins it. It feels like the sweet girl went through so much torture plus neglect at the hands of her father all to die. And poor Albert too.

I don't think a Little House experience would be complete without seeing Sylvia, just because it was such an intense episode. And it also gives you a chance to go, "What the heck was Michael Landon thinking?!!" which is always fun to marvel over when he goes to the dark side with some of the episodes.

Subject: Re: Sylvia Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:01 pm

Yeah, Sylvia was a pretty dark episode. Sometimes I like to watch it, but a lot of times I skip over it...there is a lot of dark stuff on TV anyway, and sometimes the episode just depresses me. I do agree that it is a real roller-coaster ride!

Subject: Re: Sylvia Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:34 pm

i have never watched the whole thing before. when i saw him watching Sylvia when she was at school it creeped me out waay to much. the woods are like right behind my house and for like 3 weeks i didn't even want to walk up my rode even though barely any people live there.

I want to be the best, so whatever comes with that, I’ll have to accept. ~Sidney Crosby
Sylvia Cute-2

Prairie Settler Number of posts : 685

I hate this episode!! Very dark for ML and when you consider that this was a family show, I thought the content was too intense for young viewers, especially since it dealt with rape....no thanks...this one ranks right up with May We Make Them Proud as far as episodes I don't particularly care for...

Oh yea, then there is The Godsister...

Let's not even get started on that one...

Subject: Re: Sylvia Thu Nov 27, 2008 8:25 pm

Ha! I agree, to me Sylvia was terrible. Especially when the rape involved a young girl.

LETS GO PENS!

Subject: Re: Sylvia Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:39 pm

i think that is another thing that threw me off. it was like she was a young girl, i am a young girl, who says that it can not happen to me. that is another reason why it scared me.

I want to be the best, so whatever comes with that, I’ll have to accept. ~Sidney Crosby
Sylvia Cute-2

Subject: Re: Sylvia Fri Nov 28, 2008 2:21 pm

This isn't an episode that I watch. It's just too creepy and made even more creepy by the sign that remains even after Hartwig is gone. I think it would have been an easier episode to accept if Sylvia hadn't died in the end. Maybe her father decided he had to move away in order to give them a more normal life after all that happened and Charles had to help Albert deal with Sylvia leaving. Her death seems so pointless.

Ingalls Friend for Life Number of posts : 7892 Mood :

I own the season of Little House that this episode is on but I haven't watched it yet. I don't like reading books with content like this, and even though I love Little House TV show, I don't think I could watch this episode!

Subject: Re: Sylvia Fri Nov 28, 2008 8:23 pm

ingallsfan2008 wrote:: I own the season of Little House that this episode is on but I haven't watched it yet. I don't like reading books with content like this, and even though I love Little House TV show, I don't think I could watch this episode!

this does not happen in the books. that is good. it isn't until season 8 if i remember right.

I want to be the best, so whatever comes with that, I’ll have to accept. ~Sidney Crosby
Sylvia Cute-2

Little House Lady Number of posts : 2761

bethandmanly wrote:: This isn't an episode that I watch. It's just too creepy and made even more creepy by the sign that remains even after Hartwig is gone. I think it would have been an easier episode to accept if Sylvia hadn't died in the end. Maybe her father decided he had to move away in order to give them a more normal life after all that happened and Charles had to help Albert deal with Sylvia leaving. Her death seems so pointless.

I agree. ML wasn't afraid to deal with "dark" subject matter (rape in this episode, alcoholism, drug abuse, racism), and this episode tackled a subject that, although it occurred, wasn't very spoken of. Like Sylvia's father's reaction, he blamed her for it, when it was in no way her fault. I think that was the mentality of a lot of people in that time period, and maybe ML did this episode to show that it absolutely wasn't true. Her death did seem completely pointless though - I know they probably didn't want Albert to be married at 14 and have that whole storyline, but her moving away or something like you said, Cheryl, would have been much better than her death at the end. So depressing.

It was nice to see Matt Laborteaux's acting brought front and center though.

"It is still best to be honest and truthful; to make the most of what we have; to be happy with simple pleasures and to be cheerful and have courage when things go wrong."

Subject: Re: Sylvia Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:45 pm

Agreed! The only part where he didn't sound good for me was when he kept saying to Sylvia, "It's alright, it's alright". It sounded as they say to sing songy to me, but that might have just been his young maturing voice cracking, lol.

LETS GO PENS!

Subject: Re: Sylvia Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:14 pm

Me being a lover of mystery thriller movies... this one was right up my alley
I have only seen it twice I believe... it's not something that I would watch over and over like other Little House episodes... but I thought it was a good episode.

It's far from what the usual Little House episodes are... it didn't feel like I was watching Little House but at the same time I'm seeing these characters from Little House in this twisted story...
I made a video based on this episode, but it centers around how Albert feels. I chose the song "Walking Away" because I think that's how Albert felt when he was going to run away with Sylvia... he was going to get out of town where nobody would know the trouble they've had to deal with in order to stay together....

Here it is...